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Ernest Davis's avatar

Michael --

Glad to see that you pushing on the issue of the environmental damage associated with AI.

It does seem unfair to me that you should lay the blame for the missed opportunity on the SV&SP folks. From their point of view, and of course from the point of view of the governments and corporations that they are criticizing, AI for Math is a small niche activity. If the AI community completely lost interest in AI for Math, it would only have a tiny impact on the demands for material resources. It's mostly the job of the math community be aware of the issue and to say that they don't want to be any part of that.

It's not even obvious how much larger the environmental impact of "AI for Math" would be than the "ordinary" use of high tech by the mathematicians themseles. If you take all desktops, laptops, smart phones, cloud usage, emails, Googling, online material and so on that can be associated directly with the people who are involved in one way and another with AI for Math, and compare that to the environmental impact of AI for Math activities specifically, how do they compare in environmental impact? My completely uniformed guess is that, so far, the AI for Math impact would be a fairly small fraction. That could change, of course; or I could be dead wrong

already.

Enjoy your trip to Cambridge! Best to Ursula Martin.

-- Ernie

Viviane Baladi's avatar

I am a bit late for this discussion, but I'd like to mention a (perhaps) relevant article here https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Material-Realities-Minerals-Report-2025.pdf (see also https://www.climatechangenews.com/2025/08/11/a-mineral-mining-boom-is-not-critical-for-the-green-transition/ ). It would be interesting to compare the environmental "footprint" of AI vs. that of the military "industry".

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