It might be of interest to ascertain whether AI dominance on a chess board (say) resulted in chess vignettes which the human chess masters found compellingly interesting (and beautiful).
Well many did find AlphaZero interesting but...you know it's appaling. In my opinion, due to engines, at the intermediate level, chess was ruined (up there too, people may speak of opportunity but what good is lifeless accuracy?), it's more about vomiting things out now, prior to the game the computer stuffs things into your stomach, it's soulless, cold and grotesque. You can feel dissatisfaction in chess.com forums (https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/has-theory-and-computers-ruined-chess-as-bobby-fischer-said-once). "Chess would be better off if IBM had nothing to prove", the thing which breathes life into creative endeavours is the possibility of being led astray and making mistakes and then navigating, automation steals that, it doesn't let us suffer, consequently no matter how much the game "improved" due to engines, it lost life.
I recall a story by John Cage in his record "Indeterminacy", in which Cage recalls that Karl-Heinz Stockhausen once said to him, "I ask only one thing of music; that it astonish me."
I'm sympathetic to this point of view; but I've also heard quite a lot of astonishingly bad music. So I think Stockhausen was asking for at least two things, one of which is very hard to articulate.
It might be of interest to ascertain whether AI dominance on a chess board (say) resulted in chess vignettes which the human chess masters found compellingly interesting (and beautiful).
Well many did find AlphaZero interesting but...you know it's appaling. In my opinion, due to engines, at the intermediate level, chess was ruined (up there too, people may speak of opportunity but what good is lifeless accuracy?), it's more about vomiting things out now, prior to the game the computer stuffs things into your stomach, it's soulless, cold and grotesque. You can feel dissatisfaction in chess.com forums (https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/has-theory-and-computers-ruined-chess-as-bobby-fischer-said-once). "Chess would be better off if IBM had nothing to prove", the thing which breathes life into creative endeavours is the possibility of being led astray and making mistakes and then navigating, automation steals that, it doesn't let us suffer, consequently no matter how much the game "improved" due to engines, it lost life.
I recall a story by John Cage in his record "Indeterminacy", in which Cage recalls that Karl-Heinz Stockhausen once said to him, "I ask only one thing of music; that it astonish me."
I'm sympathetic to this point of view; but I've also heard quite a lot of astonishingly bad music. So I think Stockhausen was asking for at least two things, one of which is very hard to articulate.